“Wait, So is this a Date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy

Let’s make some sound for any bottoms in the house! (It is me personally, the underside in the home.) Bottom Culture has started to become rather a Thingâ¢ on the web as of late! Exactly what can it actually imply become a bottom? Precisely why provides the culture decided bottoming is actually just getting worried to ask for just what you desire? And how does a person go about determining as long as they like bottoming?!

With these concerns rattling around our very own thoughts, requiring answers, Drew and that I understood there clearly was only 1 individual we’re able to choose for a curved, passionate talk about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA the underside Supreme. Chingy is amongst the finest men and women i understand composing and tweeting these days, so when a bottom my self, Im recognized to call her my frontrunner. Chingy helps us tease down what it methods to end up being a bottom, why she hates “smol bean” bottom culture, yourself as hole, plus human anatomy as

total

. Really a very beautiful talk, basically do say-so myself! Please understand that i know that I state “gorgeous” around three thousand times this event, and I am getting help for my problem. (the disorder is actually speaking like 57 year old white gay guy.)

And! This week’s video game involves myself speculating in the event that difficult plots Drew defines are part of a motion picture or a dream she had circa 2006. It is hard!

SHOW NOTES

+ Browse Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow her
on Twitter
and
IG
!

+The following is a list of the films that received used in the woman online game:

The Seventh Seal

(1937)
Bringing Up Kid

(1938)
Pierrot ce Fou

(1965)
Ebony Swan

(2010)

+Watch Anna Faris do the finest work of the woman profession in

Smiley Face!

+Let

Shohreh Aghdashloo talk one sleep while dressed as Chrisjen

Avasarala

from

The Expanse

since you have earned that.

+Cindy Wilson in the B52s is quite hot and frankly? “Love Shack” nonetheless whips!

+
Robert Mitchum
, stone-cold fox.

EPISODE

Chingy

: I’ve simply already been bottoming since I was actually, I don’t know, as far back as i will bear in mind.

Drew

: Cue Rags to Riches from

Goodfellas.

Chingy

: dating back to i could recall, I always wanted to end up being a bottom, no, but form of

[intro plays]

Drew

: Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina

: I Am Christina.

Drew

: Welcome to

Hold off, Is It a Date

?

Christina

:

Wait, Is It a romantic date?

is an Autostraddle podcast focused on usually the one, the actual only real the most significant question of our own instances: hold off, Is it a Date?

Drew

: And, wow, I really simply froze up here.

Christina

: I was like, oh crap, I happened to be designed to state one thing! [laughs]

Drew

: i am truly quick on the banter, my mind justâ¦ the fact is that I was checking out over my game notes, which we’re not at yet because we still need to present ourselves. Thus, I’m going to try to stay concentrated on one task at a time.

Christina

: Focus upwards!

Drew

: i’m called Drew Gregory, i will be a writer for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans lady.

Christina

: Hi, i’m Christina Tucker, forgot my personal finally name for a hot moment, no big deal. Im also an author at Autostraddle alongside spots on the internet, a podcaster, a gay black colored lady. That’s sort of it, dog, that is me.

Drew

: I love it. Okay, today we-

Christina

: today the overall game.

Drew

: Can we play the online game?

Christina

: are we able to get to the game? I could tell you’re thrilled, I can reveal’re only shaking.

Drew

: So, i am maintaining a dream journal since 2007, and the idea of the game is-

Christina

: I didn’t know this about yourself!

Drew

: Yes, it is not as up to date now, I always write down all my personal desires nowadays it is only once something really sticks. But, the idea with this video game is, am I describing the plot of an aspiration I’d whenever I had been a teenager, or was I explaining the plot of a motion picture that I liked as I had been a teenager?

Christina

: Oh boy, ok.

Drew

: So, how it is going to go is we’ll usually explain it as an aspiration and in the most important person. So, in the event it was actually

Star Wars,

I would end up like, I’m in space and I’m combating as an element of a rebellion, so there’s a wicked man that is using a black colored robot suit and it also turns out he is my dad. That is the way I’ll describe it, the way we explain aspirations, but sometimes it can be a dream, sometimes it’ll end up being from a movie. Prepared?

Christina

: I’m something, I am not sure that i am prepared, but why don’t we rock. Why don’t we see what I can carry out right here.

Drew

: Okay, I’m on a coastline and I also see this strange guy wearing black colored. He tells me that he’s Death and we could play a game to decide if I stay or if perhaps he requires me. We manage to get away, but almost everywhere I go, everyone is ill and I also feel Death still is soon after me.The just happy part happens when I satisfy a theater troupe and they’re a lot of enjoyment.

Christina

: This,I think, is a dream.

Drew

: this will be Ingmar Bergman’s

The Seventh Seal

from 1957.

Christina

: this might be gonna be a proper gotcha on CT’s traditional film information, because what I know Drew, within adolescence, was not undertaking was watching motion pictures that i will acknowledge. At this stage, i am type hoping that I’ve seen do not require. In my opinion that’ll be more enjoyable personally.

Drew

: the next one, i am meeting with my loved ones many Italian United states gangsters. One of several gangsters demands that we give over some cash, but my children and that I were able to break free. We run away through this all snowy terrain, on the road we fulfill an actress and relate solely to the lady. We land in a suburb. I do believe we are going to start a unique life collectively until she takes us to a huge residence, and I recognize it is one of the gangster. It actually was all a trap, the gangster shows up and there’s a confrontation. I eliminate him, the dream comes to an end aided by the actress doing a musical number.

Christina

: So is this a film?

Drew

: this will be a dream I had in 2008.

Christina

: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, i suppose i must keep in mind that it really is 2000, it really is old-school received mind. That is what i must bear in mind.

Drew

: additionally like, exactly what movies was we enjoying during the time as well as how much performed that influence my desires?

Christina

: Well, yeah, demonstrably quite a bit!

Drew

: a great truth is that I found myself in fact, i did not consist of this simply because I imagined this would provide away, however the gangster was Tony Soprano because I happened to be enjoying

The Sopranos

in 2008. Thus, which is an enjoyable little fact. Okay, next one, You will find an important assignment, but this hot girl comes up and starts distracting me personally. I want to end up being along with her, but I also should get my work completed, so I inform the lady to depart. She helps to keep following me. Suddenly, a leopard appears in my own room and I also need to spend remainder of the dream wanting to find the leopard. I am nevertheless really anxious, We never complete might work, but at least the girl is hot.

Christina

: it has as a dream you have, it’s as a Drew fantasy.

Drew

: This Really Is Howard Hawks’

Discussing Kid

from 1938.

Christina

: No, but that’s an aspiration of yours, that is the most Drew dream I have you ever heard. Today at this stage, i am just gonna be rewriting motion picture record, to accommodate my personal whims.

Drew

: Great, I like that. Okay, i am at a party and I you should not love any person there. Eventually, I see this lady, I once had a crush on and then we choose leave collectively. We visit the woman house, however they are chased off by this set of guys who’re wanting to eliminate the woman. We wind up on a beach therefore seems like we will be fine until the men come across united states. She ultimately ends up being into this various other man, and so I simply take cartoonish dynamite and decide to blow me up

Christina

: Film.

Drew

: that is! It is Jean Luc Goddard’s

Pierrot le Fou

, from 1965.

Christina

: never have seen, but that feels like a ding dang film in my opinion.

Drew

: Great, I adore it. Absolutely a narration explaining a strange vessel like construction that’s impossible to damage. I’m going on a retreat around the structure, the retreat is sort of theater relevant, sort of spiritual. You will find a crush on this lady in the retreat, but she has a boyfriend. Amid the activities and rituals, there’s a lot of drama between me personally and that woman along with her boyfriend, it concludes with me by yourself. There have been a sequence disclosing the ship structure is actually impractical to wreck because a mechanical supply fixes it for the night.

Christina

: That could be something in plenty steps, i will say film again, have you thought to?

Drew

: really a dream from 2011, that performed have narration from some other person, you are sure that, it happens!

Christina

: This is really great promo getting a dream log, because I feel want it could well be enjoyable if I could bear in mind my aspirations in this way.

Drew

: no body really likes once you describe your own dreams for them. I actually do though, and that I’m your own friend, so if you like to take note of your dreams and tell me, I would personally want to discover all of them.

Christina

: Okay, which is great to learn.

Drew

: You will find two even more.

Christina

: Okay.

Drew

: i am in a beautiful yard with a group of pals, everyone seem to be awakening from getting drugged. We are forced to shower in an acid that empties pigment and now we end up as blonde and blue-eyed. The people responsible start training all of us to destroy, as it happens this place is being run by a crazy dictator, I resist getting completely brainwashed. There is this girl truth be told there I have a crush on and that I persuade this lady to escape beside me, while escaping I get recorded and killed, nevertheless girl will get out. Whenever she makes the jail, she knows we are in the middle of a forest generally there’s nowhere to go.

Christina

: Movie.

Drew

: that might be 1st fantasy in my dream log from, I stated, “2007.” It’s actually 2006.

Christina

: Wow.

Drew

: i usually thought it actually was fascinating that I die for the fantasy, but the other person goes on on. However, there’s some weird sex material taking place here, and I’m gonna have to remember that one for a while.

Christina

: certainly do this.

Drew

: Okay, We have an additional.

Christina

: Okay.

Drew

: i am considering the opportunity to be a dancer, my mother insists i will not be able to take action. Absolutely this some other lady in the show which I think is hot, but i am troubled she is going to replace myself. I’m struggling in rehearsal, but-end right up making utilizing the woman, we hook up. It’s really hot, but i’m myself personally dropping control, we go back to the party tv series. My human body seems to be morphing into something else entirely, i am stressed that i will damage.

Christina

: it is a film.

Drew

: Therefore,

Dark Swan

.

Christina

: Yes, that’s

Ebony Swan

, truly.

Drew

: Have you viewed

Black Swan

? That was one I thought you’ve observed.

Christina

: I have come across

Ebony Swan

, Iâ¦ Fun reality, I proceeded a night out together with a guy observe

Black Swan

.

Drew

: Wow.

Christina

: Just direct things I did.

Drew

: the thing that was that like?

Christina

: crazy, it absolutely was strange.

Drew

: Do you just like the motion picture? Performed he just like the flick?

Christina

: I think, I got already seen it, i do believe I was want, “Why don’t we get find it once again.” In my opinion, I was extremely pro

Ebony Swan,

as well as directly heterosexual factors, undoubtedly.

Drew

: Sure, okay.

Christina

: And, he had been like, “that has been weird.” And that I was like, “Oh well, we aren’t attending consistently day.”

Drew

: Wow, well I wish him the greatest, i really hope he’s someplace doing well. Many thanks for playing the game with me.

Christina

: Wow, i am therefore grateful I went two for nonetheless numerous we performed thereon.

Drew

: maybe not awful.

Christina

: perhaps not bad.

Drew

: You did better than Elise performed whenever I wished to see if this is an operating video game that may work, and she was my personal guinea pig. Very, she merely got one correct.

Christina

: Fair enough.

Drew

: Should we proceed to our very own primary subject of week?

Christina

: Let’s go into it, let’s get this special visitor in.

Drew

: Well, i do want to initially claim that the primary subject of this week is bottoming, so we could simply have one really unique guest.

Christina

: its one person.

Drew

: Could you kindly present your self?

Chingy

: Hi, i am Chingy Nea, otherwise known as The Gay Chingy. Im a Writer, Filmmaker, and gasian leather-based dyke muppet. I’m in addition The united states’s number one bottom.

Christina

: Yes, i believe once we had been discussing topics therefore’re like, “We could mention bottoming there’s literally singular individual we could have regarding pod to do so, absolutely only one one who is quite literally the Supreme.”

Chingy

: thanks for knowing, it feels good for your own greatness respected, thank you so much

Christina

: Yes, while’ve completed fantastic work, and here we are acknowledging it.

Drew

: I would like to understand when you feel just like you became The united states’s biggest bottom. Whenever was actually that a word and a label and an identity you truly held onto?

Chingy

: Well, therefore I often only state, “I’m The Bottom Supreme.” Because, who cares about The united states?

Drew

: Positive.

Christina

: Fair sufficient.

Chingy

: Yeah, In my opinion that i was really effective in bottoming, but in 2017 or something, I went to a play celebration that has been simply for fem top sadists defeating me personally up for six to seven hours right, plus it was just me, and I ended up being like, “Oh, i am best which is ever already been.” Following, i do believe from there, i recently kept increasing and being, wow, i am thus fun to view. Wow, I’m thus enjoyable as a bottom, this really is wow, everyone whom reaches finest myself is really happy. And, it went from that point, i do believe, after which we penned a write-up labeled as I’m A Much Better Bottom versus You. Discover Exactly Why. It absolutely was particular a manifesto, it was a bottom manifesto.

Christina

: certainly, can verify.

Chingy

: And, many individuals have informed me, “It is altered the way they look at intercourse.” And, i love that a lot. It’s the one post back at my website that I composed here. I authored at

Vice

,

Teenage Vogue

,

Vulture

â

Autostraddle

was actually the most important destination I had written, actually. But yeah, that’s the one weblog on my web site, if you wish to take a look.

Christina

: i really like a very good brand name, i really like once you understand a brandname, and I also think that’s truly gorgeous, just, brand name management of yours bottomy your self. I do believe, that is truly stunning to see.

Chingy

: many thanks, I managed to get my personal very first authorship chance at

Autostraddle

because I found myself writing about getting a base, being poly, and being actually strong into being a fabric dyke. And since subsequently, I’ve started initially to share a bunch of other stuff, but getting bottom great just kind of is the one through line of everything.

Christina

: Yes.

Drew

: I also feel you are a very effective base and in addition in how that you talk about, and discuss, and I presume experience bottoming that you are really productive. Whereas, In my opinion there’s a lot of the queer area, perhaps, particularly the lesbian community, that perhaps thinks of bottoming asâ¦ I’m not sure-

Chingy:

Passivity

.

Christina

: Mm-hmm

(Affirmative)

.

Drew

: Yeah.

Chingy

: Yeah, we usually declare that there is a lot less bottoms than individuals believe are bottoms. I believe there is a big change between becoming a bottom and simply being unsure of or seeking what you need. In my opinion those are a couple of totally different things that people conflate.

Christina

: I would must concur, I additionally believe the way you mention bottoming is actually, I mean, why don’t we merely say it, so much much less inconvenient as compared to means so many people explore being a base or identify with bottom tradition. Because, i actually do believe that just what many are saying clearly or non clearly is merely, I am lazy and don’t care to-do any sort of motion, task, et-cetera, i’d like circumstances done to myself. And, basically need certainly to seek that in any way, that affects my personal emotions. And, you may be so great and thus effective at getting, these represent the things that I want, bring these to myself and that I will rock and roll your world. This is certainly gorgeous in my experience.

Chingy

: thanks, What i’m saying is, that is what you have to do to-be good at just one thing, you need to place yourself nowadays and check out and make blunders and obtain harm a little bit, and, I am not sure, study from it.

Christina

: In my opinion which is a good message, frankly.

Chingy

: I’ve just been bottoming since I have was actually, I don’t know, as far back as i will bear in mind. [laughs]

Drew

: Cue “Rags to Riches” from

Goodfellas

.

Chingy

: Yeah, dating back to i could keep in mind, i wished to be a bottom. No, but variety of, when I ended up being 13 or 14, I became already evaluating SADO MASO websites and lesbian free bdsm websites. Therefore, I happened to ben’t under any delusions by what I happened to be about, I happened to be having ladies we dated in high school choke me personally on, we knew what I desired. Therefore, that standard of understanding has just given me personally a long time to know what i would like and work out how to get it.

Christina

: Beautiful, received, provide myself your feelings on bottoming.

Drew

: Well, I’m actually really excited to speak about this because personally i think like in 2019 {when I|as I|while